As you say, it might be better if you were able to lay out the photos and see how they seem to fit together. The circular part looks like vines to me, but the portion in the middle has potential to be a cow skull. This is an excellent analysis. Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. I also think that we are looking at man-made roof structure, but its not the last photo, right? There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. So, their work was good but not perfect. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. Ive kept comments on this article open for civil and respectful discussion. Fortunately, theres a lot of work still underway from private investigators and researchers. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. "Tourism contributes 10% to EU GDP and creates jobs for 26 million people," notes the European Union Tourism Trends report. Maybe someone had her in there sitting on the rock, and she heard them coming back and got up quickly to turn around. Hopefully, this 2021 investigation can find the truth of exactly what happened. Haha. Her phone is dead. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. Este rosto de uma jovem que est angustiada,aterrorizada sem saber o que fazer para se salvar. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. Tourists are usually only targeted when something goes wrong or someone has a specific personal problem with foreigners or a subset of foreigners. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? After any incident the first 24 hours are critical and it seems all that time was lost. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. Maybe a struggle or fall? Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. Dyatlov Pass Tourists Go Missing While Visiting Area of - Newsweek Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. Unfortunately, this camera setting is not public knowledge, but the default mode is Continuous.. In fact, its probable to some degree. Can it explain Lisannes foot that was broken? I agree. I have created a comparison of the original photo leaked to the public, the artificially upsampled version thereof and the (presumed) full resolution picture taken from the article linked to in my previous post (all cropped to show only Kris and further 2 magnified). However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. RIP sweet girls. Its incredibly sad. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. My first thought and instincts on the object you believe to be circular on the left is a cow skull and the fact its there is very strange indeed. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon (lost unreleased/uncompressed original Perhaps this is someone who had already joined them along the trail, and that only one of the girls was cool with the third party thats why the complete change from the first exuberant pictures. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. But I still had that curiosity. There seems to be no pictures of the dog. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. I no longer believe there was any mirror; What we see is instead is the lid of a soft food container (you can see the food stuck around the edges). I prefer to think that the two girls had some sort of accident, still horrific but better than being murdered. Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. My condolences to the families that experienced this terrible tragedy. Thanks in advance! Froons bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally, but Kremerss bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in their deaths. This trip to Panama was a major life experience for Kris and Lisanne. Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. That is an interesting photo taken of Kris Kremers under the slatted roof. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. Someone was with the girls when the two photos of them were taken on the Pianista summit. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls deaths were an accident. Its a subtle difference, but you can tell the girls smiles are forced in those two photos and are not like the natural happy smiles in the other summit photos. The 3 of them died shortly after being in contact with the girls. Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. Basically, theres a lot of government corruption and poverty as a result. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. The case needs solid evidence and/or solid witnesses coming forward. Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. Once you see it, you cannot unsee see it. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. I dont think there was actual foul play. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Hundreds! There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. The branches above her could be an attempt to hide the entrance. This case has captivated me. German Tourist Sexually Assaulted After Being Lost In Panama's Jungles This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. I agree. Thank you for reading. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. The girls' camera showed evidence of what may have happened. The picture just before this one appears to be higher in elevation, meaning that from the direction they were coming, a pit trap being place around this area could/would be ideal. I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Subsequent analysis revealed that on April 4, Froons phone battery became exhausted, but between April 5 and April 11, Kremers iPhone was turned on multiple times but whoever turned it on didnt enter the PIN code correctly. They earn money through drug trafficking, often theft and sometimes by extorting businesses. Brought to trial and prosecuted successfully: highly unlikely, less than 1%. Life of a stay at home home. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). Just a few weeks later hes found dead. He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. This may explain why the taxi driver and the two young men died so soon after this incident. I see the nose and mouth and possibly and eye, like they were trying to hide from the girls or camera and peaking behind branches creepy. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. 3. I am from Panama, and I know that there are way more dangerous drug and crime cartels active in remote parts of the country than officials want to admit to because the tourism would be affected. Both of these 2 boys died shortly after, by murder or by accident. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. Thats suspicious and leads me to question if government was involved to some degree. If one or both of the phones were missing, it would have generated more questions. Theyre also exceptionally rugged and dangerous, especially during the April-to-October wet season. Nearly 100,000 people in Mexico have disappeared | Fox News While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. Theres some orange with white dots. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. The tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remain a disturbing mystery. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. But the call logs gave the cops a rough outline of the time the girls spent missing in the jungle. She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. The BLUE object on ground could be a BRA. Once they examined the phones, investigators unraveled a confusing and grim timeline. But most people going on a hike with a dog would take some pictures of themselves with the dog, right? Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home - CBC WHY? You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. Heres what I think happened. https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. While the case has since been declared closed by both the Panamanian and Dutch authorities (who worked on . There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. Despite search teams, which included dogs and helicopters, there were no . Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk . It looks like an indigenous person with shiny black hair walking away from Kris. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. On the bottom right of the photo it looks as though her hair is wrapped around somebodys fingers, or rather someone has their fingers wrapped around her hair. Im always looking for answers. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Many cold cases have been solved years later. That looks kinda like a monster, Very interesting and thorough analysis. I think the look on her face isnt scared, but she looks to maybe be in wonder that they found a place like that? It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. A priest of sorts. Nobody is safe. Only three days later the three assailants were given their sentences: Hctor Abrego - 15 years in prison and must pay his sentence in jail in Santiago. If you can rule out getting lost or falling off the trail in that circle, all my money is on foul & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! I hope justice is found for these girls, so very sad & just horrifying. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. You cant see any blue sky behind the branches and the rock is in bright sunlight which bleaches out the colour. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. That and the deleted photo make me for first time in my studies of this incident start to suspect foul play, but well never know. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. She is looking down to the left and appears to be shocked by what she sees. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. If so, they may have wandered across the field looking for the original path back and got themselves well and truly lost. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. Several people have gone missing in national parks across the country This is a great question. Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. This was a real disappointment, the entry continued. The blue item could be anything, but shows someone has been there before. On one hand, its more liberating and freeing. Ive seen cases in which political frenemies were erased out of photos without a trace. On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. Seems strange. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. Why? Sorry to bring up the dog again. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. There were no signs at that time. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. And one of the branches near the middle appears to have scales or a pattern not natural to a tree branch. Thanks for any information you can provide. Police cant be that stupid, but they hope that we are that stupid. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. Dutch investigators attempted to recover the file but didnt manage to retrieve any data, which suggests that the camera was plugged into a computer and the file was deleted rather than deleted from the camera. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. He has some resources at his disposal. She looks disorientated almost. If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. Any comments that are disrespectful or inconsiderate to the families of Kris and Lisanne will be removed by a moderator. Yes, this was taken after their photos at the Mirador. You mention the research team. No Chris, I assure you, police investigations are routinely botched like this in the third world. Where did you hear this? What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. He wasnt walking with them. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. Also why make them at night and not during the day? Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. A group of tourists have gone missing in an infamous Russian mountain pass where nine people died under mysterious circumstances more than 60 years ago. Forced disappearance. What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. The local jungle tribes people have been looking for the girls. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy.
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