I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Govan has had several local newspapers over the years such as the Govan Chronicle and Govan Press published by the Cossar Family (1851-1983) and by John Maclean (20062014) which also served the communities of Kinning Park, Cardonald, Penilee and Hillington, and the Govan Post (19831988) published by Cook, Paton & Co. of Paisley, now part of Dunfermline Press. ', "1881 England Census, The London Charterhouse, St Sepulchre Without, London, p.6 RG11/344", "University of Glasgow:: Story:: Biography of Jimmy Reid", "Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) Schedule 2 Shipbuilding Industry", Govan Maps 1857-1934, National Library of Scotland, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govan&oldid=1127691800, Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles containing Scottish Gaelic-language text, Articles with MusicBrainz area identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 16 December 2022, at 03:51. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. Scottish Skier February 15, 2020 at 7:51 PM. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. Community service. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. Govan young team. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. and education and learning came into my thoughts. 100m Freshair Salon . When the sirens went for everyone to go to their shelters, our grandfather had to come and help her take us to St. Anthony's school (our shelter). I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. 123m New Cafe India Govan . Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. Former. In May 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister and her ministry soon began its privatisation programme. There, two local cops came up with the idea of using several of the houses to keep a 24-hour watch on the gang. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. Reading the posts recognised a few names. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. Sources Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. Zobrazi viac od Sunny Govan Memories na Facebooku. I have no memory just my dad's story. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard But. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? Email: enquiries@gblink.org.uk , www.gblink.org.uk Forgotten account? Sad to see Govan now but many happy memories. Darner had two criticisms of the improvement programme. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. In fact, the idea was publicly abused in the first of the two SEU documents above. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. I attended Notre Dame School and Jackie told customers this to reassure them of the standard of my handwriting! Govan (#646) This is a guide to the history and major genealogical records of Scotland as they pertain to the parishes of Lanarkshire. Create New Account. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Historically it was part of the County of Lanark. Replies. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. I guess I drifted away from Govan for some time although I watched it contract as the shipyard industry faded and that was until my interest was aroused as the company I was working for took up new premisis near the Southern General as it was then. Nestled among the quaint streets 10 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 91 I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. Within 10 years, Glasgow Corporations repair and maintenance service to the area had declined noticeably because the Corporation was simply not interested. Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. Helen Dunlop and I have kept in touch all these years, she is only one month younger than me and lived across the street, therefore we have known each other all of our lives. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! I look forward to reading further. Glorious Govan. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I was born in Govan, at home, on Luath Street in 1935. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! Anyone know the Maguire family from Logie Street and 147 Langlands Road? Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. Glorious Govan. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. Lots of memories too many to say here. Synopsis My husband also comes from Govan. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. The plan was to video and record any deals as they happened - a tricky and dangerous proposition. The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. Related Pages. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. 114m Nailsby Taylor . 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? They were both always on a mission to land a. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. No1seems2care. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. Ai uitat contul? Community service. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. Very happy days. Verejnoprospen prce. A friend called Carol Slater. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. I always thought it was a listed building. Would love to hear from you. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. History [ edit] I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. This was a very hard job physically where we would carry a wicker basket (full of ashes, etc.) You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. A Victor Harbor businessman is forging ahead with bold plans for a $350m marina, apartment, hotel and convention centre project near The Bluff, despite the local council opposing major development . We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? Svisiace strnky. Sources My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? Great memories. I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. Site Number NS56NE 4994. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. 8 Markus, 1993, p. 163 The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. pigella miraculous ladybug power. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Laurel Brook. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. Govan feels vibrant again. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. This was around 1954ish. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. In reply to these petitions, the Scottish Parliament wrote to Glasgow City Council and to Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, asking for their responses to the submission and within 4 months, Glasgow Council had taken steps to set up the Central Govan Action Plan.16 Now offering wine & beer by the glass! When in trouble the Govanites all come together. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? [16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. Most of it has now been demolished to make way for an industrial estate. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . Gallery. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Create New Account. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. We protect your brands globally and help consumers find your wines. They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. The School that was situated at the end of Cowie Street was the "Wee Lamby" or Lambhill Junior Primary. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. 110m Govan Road Campus . I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. Vytvori nov et. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. First, this fosters connectedness seen in social capital and enhanced trust in government and in fellow citizens. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. My Mum was Godmother to your brother and I was at your wedding. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. I was born in 1961. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. I was born 1944, lived 3 up in 52 Wanlock Street, right across from the little swing park and Fairfields Shipbuilders and right next to the Govan Ferry. Govan was thriving in those days. Get into Govan. First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. Their children's names were John, Michael, Christopher, Bridget and Edward.
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